Sunday, March 9, 2014

Burke Introduction

The reading of Burke we did seems to focus a lot on motive, semantics, and how arguments can be differently framed. He reminded me of one of the Sophists we originally read about, Prodicus, who had a personal obsession with finding the exact meanings of words. Unlike Prodicus however, Burke seems to enjoy the ambiguity of language, or at least feel that ambiguity isn't something that needs to be completely eliminated, saying that "what we want is not terms that avoid ambiguity, but terms that clearly reveal the strategic spots at which ambiguities necessarily arise" (xvii). Basically, Burke is arguing that you can still have ambiguity in language, as long as the ambiguity or source of ambiguity is clear. 

Burke also speaks of three conventions in language that he called Grammar, Symbolic, and Rhetoric. The reminded me of Aristotle's three canons, Logos, Pathos, and Ethos; while they are not exact equivalents, they are similar. I had a bit of a difficult time understanding what he means by Grammar, since he doesn't seem to mean it in an identical way as we use it today -- in regards to punctuation and whatnot -- but rather as a something like facts or fitting exactly within the intended definition or rules of a convention. Something similar to how we see grammar today, but Burke's version seems to encompass a broader spectrum of language. After that, Symbolic seems to mean expression within language, and Rhetoric is of course equal to persuasion in language. As he points out though, the three often overlap. 

I thought Burke's point about how an argument or statement can be portrayed differently depending on the person looking at it, for example his example of how a portrait painter would see the body as an agent versus the medical man who would see the body as the scene of an action/motive, or the more interesting example of the counter-agent being a necessity for the agent. It's sort of an interesting continuation of the "revolutionary" (at the time) discovery way back, the idea that "on every argument there are two sides." What Burke is doing is explaining how both individual people can see a subject or argument differently, or how someone could intentionally take the ambiguity of an argument or statement and twist it into something completely different. 

So Burke's point is both a positive thing and a worrisome thing. On one hand, he helps to explain how someone with a different viewpoint isn't inherently wrong, but that there is enough flexibility in whatever word/title/subject that they see it differently. On the other hand though, you can get some pretty crazy arguments from this sort of thing. The reading used the argument how Judas and the crucifixion of Jesus was a necessity for the resurrection of Jesus and the salvation of mankind, therefore you could turn Judas into a positive sort of figure. In that way, you can make all kinds of positive arguments for various dictators and tyrannies of history, since some good thing likely emerged from them. You can argue that these arguments can be easily outweighed by negative points about the thing, and I can grant you that. However, less extreme versions of this argument could be interesting, you could take something bad but not as obviously bad, but again be able to twist it about and make it seem good -- war, questionable legislation, things like that.

It is good that Burke talks about this though, since he obviously didn't create this, this is a rhetorical device that has likely been used for ages. By bringing it into the open and analyzing it, we are able to consider this strategy and be aware of what it is, how it is used, and the moral/immoral potential of it. So regardless of the point Burke is making with his work (if he is making one), it is a good discussion to have.   

Questions:

1. What do you think Burke means when he talks about Grammar? Do you agree with what I said I think he means, or did he mean something different? 

2. Would it be ideal if we could strike all ambiguity from language, and every word/argument has one precise meaning we could all understand? What would be sacrificed for this total clarity? 

3 comments:

  1. Kelline,
    First off you wrote a very nice post and raised some very interesting questions. To answer you're second question, I do not think it would be ideal or possible to strike all ambiguity from language. I think it would quite honestly make the world a boring place and would eliminate a lot of uniqueness. For example poetry wouldn't be as personal because everything would be interpreted the same.Second I do not think it is possible to have an ambiguous free language and I think Burke further supports this in the second part of the reading. Burke supports this when he states; "The human animal, as we know it, emerges into personality by first mastering whatever tribal speech happens to be its particular symbolic environment." This influence is very much true in language too, people interpret different words based on different influences in their lives. For instance a person growing up in a christian family interprets god differently then a person growing up in an atheist family. I would agree with your definition of grammar in regards to the symbolic being an expression of language. In the second part of our reading Burke goes into further depth regarding the symbolic. He brings in this idea of metaphors being the symbolism of literature which reminded me of our previous readings and our discussions on metaphors and their use in language.

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  2. Hey Kelline,

    Your post was fun to read and I like the questions you have chosen to ask. You are not alone when it comes to being confused about Burke’s work as it is complex. When I first read the part on Grammar I expected to have some similarities to the way we presently use the term grammar. This is not the case. From what I read I understand Burke’s idea of Grammar to be similar to your understanding. Burke meant for Grammar to be used for broad/in general meanings, while philosophy is more specific. So I consider your analysis of his meaning of the term Grammar to be correct, otherwise we’re both wrong.

    Removing ambiguity from language would definitely leave less room for misinterpreting what someone says. People would have an easier time explaining what they are trying to say due to the lack of space for error. However, many things would be sacrificed. I believe a lot of people would have a hard time persuading others if words were not able to be interpreted differently. If all words had no way of being translated into different meaning then people who have negative connotations of certain words would unwilling to see things from other perspective. Many words like leader, love, trust, friend, etc. are ambiguous and have several different meanings that rely on personal definitions. Not only would communication be duller, but the various forms of art specifically creative writing might suffer. One of the main focuses in poetry is to share your personal definition or interpretation of a word, subject and so forth. I think it would be more difficult to actually use metaphors and similes if words were not ambiguous, so in the end I guess it is a good thing that we are given the option to choose how we define certain words.

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  3. Hi Kelline,

    I think your post was probably the easiest to understand and gauge abetter understanding of Burke, SO thanks for that. You bring up the example of the painter and doctor seeing the body through different terms, and I think that Is exactly how a termini stk screen works. Both professiongive a definition of the body that can alter our perception of what exactly it is we're interpreting.

    To answer your questions, I would agree with your definition of grammar as being the set of known words or facts used during writing with the intention of making meaning appear more clear. However, as Burke brings up in the terministic screens, these set words or facts are not the same for everyone, and someone might use a word that could portray a diterent idea, or portray only a specific one and lead them away from all other possible meanings of the word for the sake of the argument- and that in itself is persuasive.

    Lastly, I don't think it would be ideal to strike all ambiguity from language, especially when viewing it as a terminisnc screen. So in a sense I'supporting my argument by bringing up the term terminate screen so you see it through that terminate screen And understand how lack of ambiguity could take away from alternating viewpoints.

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